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DLNA firmware improvement wishlist

Argomento aperto il Nov 26, 2010 6:59 PM , ultima risposta inviata il Dec 23, 2011 11:55 AM

in TV & Home Cinema > DVD, Blu-Ray & HDD Recorders
6 post da
Nov 26, 2010

Just thought since this forum is monitored by Sony staff that it would be a good way to pass some customer feedback up the chain to the developers.

 

Though I imagine not many people use the DLNA features of their Sony Bluray players at the moment, I'll start by saying that this, together with BBC iPlayer, was my main reason for buying the player.

 

The issue for Sony is that most DLNA server software is bad, so interoperability complaints tend to fall on deaf ears. However, I have tried many servers (Windows Media Player, PS3 Media Server, Mezzmo, Wild Media Server, and finally the excellent and free Serviio). While trying to improve PS3 Media Server I ended up working with the source and taking packet captures to analyze the traffic. I also have a Bravia TV with DLNA from 2009 and have been able to make comparisons with that.

 

By and large the Sony DLNA renderer built into the BDP products is very good, but there are some fairly minor things which hold it back from being perfect. Here's the wishlist:

 

  1. Thumbnail artwork support for media other than photos using the JPEG_TN resource. Inexplicably this is missing on BDP units, despite being enabled on my Bravia TV which is one year older. Again I have compared many DLNA servers and packet captures so I can see that the resources are definitely presented to the player correctly - it's just ignoring them.
  2. Subtitle support in MPEG program streams (VOB files in other words). The player supports these from disc, but not via DLNA - which is an odd decision since they are supported from MKV files over DLNA. This stops us being able to enjoy foreign movies over DLNA.
  3. SRT subtitle file support. This falls outside the DLNA spec, though should not be too hard to implement. Samsung have done this for their latest products I believe.

 

Compared to how complex the whole firmware must be, I'm guessing that to implement these changes would not be a huge undertaking. Given that you seem to use a unified DLNA stack for the whole family of players any fixes here would improve a huge range of Sony products. The whole DLNA space is virtually unknown to most consumers right now and people I have shown my BDP setup to are amazed that something so cheap can be a full blown media centre - several of them have gone straight out and bought one. Iron out these small imperfections and this players' versatility and the simplicity of the XMB interface will allow Sony to lead the way.

 

The other minor thing which would make a nice difference would be to have the subtitle button on the Bravia TV remote carry out that same function on the BDP. Then I'd pretty much never need the BDP remote at all, which should surely be an important design objective. I seriously favoured buying a Sony disc player to avoid having completely different remotes!


  • Catmambo 2,009 post da
    Aug 28, 2003
    Scritto il Nov 26, 2010 10:52 PM

    Thanks for this - a very timely posting as we are working on lineup requests for 2012 products at the moment so I will make sure your suggestions get put forward.

     

    Warm regards


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  • 1 post da
    Nov 30, 2010
    Scritto il Nov 30, 2010 11:38 PM

    The support for SRT files will be very useful.

     

    Moreover, is any possibility with a firmware update to obtain support for NTFS files through USB? As you know the FAT is not support files over 4GB and all HD videos are well above this limit. 


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  • Catmambo 2,009 post da
    Aug 28, 2003
    Scritto il Feb 7, 2011 9:34 AM

    New BRAVIA Internet Video Services are thankfully independent of the product hardware cycle and so get pushed out whn the contracts are signed etc, but software updates to the platform *generally* focus on critical bug fixing rather than feature additions as these normally get put forward for the next generation of products.

     

    So please continue to post/pm me suggestions/requests and I can certainly put them forward.

     

    Thanks


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  • 3 post da
    Dec 6, 2010
    Scritto il Dec 6, 2010 9:39 PM

    Thumbnails don't seem to be supported for 2010 TVs but this is a minor fail compared to not being able to access subtitles.  Alternative audio tracks mostly don't seem to work either.  This is on EX703 TV and on BDP-E370.


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  • Catmambo 2,009 post da
    Aug 28, 2003
    Scritto il Dec 6, 2010 10:17 PM

    Could try using Serviio as it hints towards supporting  subtitles over DLNA..?

     

    http://www.serviio.org/features

     

    Thanks


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  • 4 post da
    Dec 27, 2010
    Scritto il Dec 27, 2010 4:17 PM

    Can I just add my support for some of the things mentioned.

     

    I appreciate that more time is spent on adding new features to new products, but in premium brands such as Sony there is an expectation that you will not be abandoned as soon as you buy the product. DNLA is also one of the reasons that I was attracted to this product, having seen the XMB in a PS3.

     

    • Given that thumbnails are already generated by the server, I would really appreciate them being displayed by the client.

     

    Also, I spent a while trying to understand why my blu-ray player, that stated it played .mkv and .mp4 with no problems did not play .mkv and .mp4 - then I found a little *5 in the manual that lead to a note that these were not played via DLNA

     

    • Enable .mkv and .mp4 support for DLNA

     

    These are my suggestions, hope they get fed back - and please do strongly reccomend keeping this player up-to-date and well as bug fixes! In theory the things mentioned above strictly speaking are not bugs but rather omisions from what one could expect to be full and comparable DLNA support.

     

    Thanks

     

    Peter


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  • 1 post da
    Dec 28, 2010
    Scritto il Dec 28, 2010 2:34 AM

    I now have 3 Sony TVs all with network access. top .. nice.
    I have cable TV. and they do with the "constant" to be throwing around the canals. I'mgetting tired of sorting programs on TV set

     

    Now there is network connector. how about alittle app where you can sort from PC directly. and possibly upload all your Sony TV ..


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  • 7 post da
    Dec 28, 2010
    Scritto il Dec 28, 2010 1:50 PM

    A very simple one from me -- allow navigation through the DLNA music tree whilst continuing to play the existing track. My N900 Nokia phone has no trouble doing this, yet my sony bluray player cannot. Perfect for parties.

     

    Would be great to also allow creation of playlists (locally) or at a minimum a local play queue.


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  • 4 post da
    Dec 27, 2010
    Scritto il Jan 3, 2011 11:34 AM

    I notice that 4OD and ITV have appeared on the PS3, which is encouraging!

     

    It would be nice if these could be added to the player along with thumbnails for audio and video (not just photos as is the case now)

     

    Also, do we know the reason why the HD blu-ray player will not play HD from my DNLA server? It seems odd given the very HD nature of the product!!

     

    Peter


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  • specialist-convergence 340 post da
    Sep 22, 2010
    Scritto il Jan 5, 2011 11:33 AM

    Hi All

     

    DNLA feature are mainly controlled by your Server package, I use Mezzmo, to date I found i had more control on what i could play, when using HD files this package with Transcode to MPEG2_TS giving me full 1080p via Cable 1080i via WiFi, I have no issue with any format on my PC as it does not matter if it is supported by the player or not, the Server will only send in the supported formats for the products profile, which with the current models includes Divx, as for thumb nails, this is not available in the current range and I don’t believe it can be added just by Software updates.  This feature including many others will be added to the next range following Customer feed back please keep an eye out for the new 80 series announcements coming soon.


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  • 2 post da
    Jan 24, 2011
    Scritto il Jan 26, 2011 8:30 PM

    One thing more about Santa's wishlist :

     

     

    Why S370's DLNA player send all the videos a frequency of 60Hz to TV,  although source video was shot in a frequency of 50Hz or 25Hz. This  applies to all videos from a network or USB. This is a really stupid  feature, which causes the video to be jerky. The only option is to drop  the hdmi sending to 570p when the video is smooth but the resolution far  from the hd. Hopefully this will be corrected soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  • 2 post da
    Feb 5, 2011
    Scritto il Feb 5, 2011 6:03 PM

    Can I add to calls for an upgrade to be made to allow .m4a files and other common formats to be read on NAS devices. It is infuriating that the kit is badged as made for ipod yet does not support the native apple formats used by audiophiles who sensibly store their collections on NAS devices.


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